Josh Drean is a workforce futurist, HR transformation expert and co-author of Employment Is Dead. He is also co-founder of Decentrive, a decentralized peer-to-peer work platform. Continuing his conversation with host Marcus Mossberger, Josh argues organizations should build a new job architecture around skills instead of preserving the old one. He questions whether a four-year degree still fits how fast skills change, and says creativity and the ability to build now count for more than knowledge alone. Josh redefines the AI dividend as ownership, saying employees want a share in the value they create. He describes managers as caught between demands from leadership and burnout on their teams, and outlines decentralized autonomous organizations as one model for team decision-making without traditional management. Marcus adds that human collaboration and trust become more important as AI takes over administrative work. Josh's advice to CEOs is to understand AI before rolling it out and to rebuild trust with employees. Listeners come away with a clearer approach to AI adoption, skills-based hiring and employee retention.

For HR and finance leaders deciding how work should be organized as AI changes what teams do.

We cover:

0:00 Is the traditional job ending?

1:09 Jobs versus skills-based hiring

2:57 Degrees versus fast-changing skills

6:32 Who gets the AI dividend?

8:30 Why employees want ownership

11:00 How AI changes managers

13:34 Teams without managers using DAOs

16:38 Trust versus trustless systems

20:39 Where CEOs should start

21:55 Rebuild trust before employees leave

Resources:

💼 Connect with Josh Drean on LinkedIn

📘 Read Employment Is Dead by Josh Drean

🌐 Learn more at Josh Drean's website

▶️ Watch on YouTube

Connect With Us:

💼 Connect with Marcus Mossberger on LinkedIn

🌐 Learn more at the LYTIQS website

💼 Follow LYTIQS on LinkedIn

About the Host

Marcus Mossberger started in HR, making workforce calls on instinct, and has spent more than a decade since studying how those decisions get made and where work is headed next. Today he is Chief Market Strategy Officer at LYTIQS.

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Josh Drean is a workforce futurist, HR transformation expert and co-author of Employment Is Dead: How Disruptive Technologies Are Revolutionizing the Way We Work. He is also co-founder of Decentrive, a platform built on the idea that people don't need a traditional job to do great work. He tells host Marcus Mossberger the traditional employment model is failing employees and companies at once. Companies are measuring AI productivity with desk-time metrics, and few can show a return. Cutting entry-level roles breaks the talent pipeline just as more than half of today's C-suite is set to turn over within a decade. Josh argues skills-based hiring and internal talent marketplaces are already replacing fixed job titles, and pay should move toward output. Marcus raises the healthcare gap facing portfolio careers, which Josh calls a systemic failure. Listeners come away with a clearer view of AI and jobs and the workforce planning ahead.

For CHROs and CFOs planning for what comes next as the old employment model runs out of time.

We cover:

0:00 Is the traditional employment model broken?

3:31 Why work fails employees and employers

5:41 How AI threatens entry-level jobs

7:37 Why Gen Z stopped trusting institutions

9:17 What could replace traditional employment

10:11 Why skills are replacing job titles

12:36 Healthcare gaps in portfolio careers

17:37 Moving from hourly to output pay

23:44 How to measure knowledge worker productivity

25:56 What happens when AI replaces people

Resources:

💼 Connect with Josh Drean on LinkedIn

📘 Read Employment Is Dead by Josh Drean

🌐 Learn more at Josh Drean's website

▶️ Watch on YouTube

Connect With Us:

💼 Connect with Marcus Mossberger on LinkedIn

🌐 Learn more at the LYTIQS website

💼 Follow LYTIQS on LinkedIn

About the Host

Marcus Mossberger started in HR, making workforce calls on instinct, and has spent more than a decade since studying how those decisions get made and where work is headed next. Today he is Chief Market Strategy Officer at LYTIQS.

For decades, strategic workforce planning chased the right answer. With AI in the workplace and a shrinking labor pool, jobs are now being redesigned faster than any annual plan can keep up with.

Host Marcus Mossberger sits down with CHROs, CFOs, people analytics leaders and workforce strategists for honest conversations about what's shifting and why. Topics range from the changing role of HR in an AI-driven workplace to how hiring and employee retention are evolving as talent gets harder to find. Along the way, the show digs into skills-based hiring, reskilling, people data, employee engagement and the career ladder generations of leaders climbed.

Every episode looks for your next move while the ground is still moving.

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Additional Resources

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